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PMU antichrist

Postby Guest » Tue Jun 01, 2004 5:49 am

Just saw this on another forum,

thought its a good laugh
:wink: :wink:

Foils are vastly superior to Leading Edge pump up kites. I've summarized the reasons for the superiority of Foil Kites:

1: Lift to drag ration (L/D)
- The highest L/D ratio is not always optimal. A high L/D ratio is critical in large kites because they move slowly. Large kites output steady power but generally lose out in ability to turn suddenly and generate sudden upward pull.

- Because large LE kites have a HUGE "D" coefficient compared to Foils, they are unable to generate the sudden upward power spikes.

- For this reason, large LE kites can pull steadily enough, but will ALWAYS lack the jumping ability of a large quality 2004 Foil.

-Small kites move rapidly and therefore have large power spikes. These kites are INTENTIONALLY designed to move slower by ram and inflatable manufacturers. The lack or presence of a leading edge/ram cells is really irrelevant in the small sizes since SLOWNESS is a virtue in these sizes. The things to look for in these sizes are luff curve, chord, aspect ration for aerodynamic handling.

2: Inertia
- Because large LE kites have a much larger mass of air in them (filling the bladders) their inertia is enormous. It is very difficult moving this mass of air across the sky to generate sudden power spikes and therefore lift. The inertia and slow turning makes a lot of modern moves (eg kiteloops) incredibly difficult, if not impossible. Large ram air kites like the Nash 30 contain OVER 11kg of air in their bladders.

3: Rigidity
- Small ram airs are better than small LE kites because they have a semi-rigid structure produced by bridles. This improves consistency, stability of turning, and precision in handling. Kite makers like Naish, North, and Flexifoil are actually moving to make their kites MORE rigid by joining the struts firmly to the leading edge using bridles.
-Rigidity also facilitates turning. Bar pressure TWISTS the WHOLE kite, speeding up turns. Lack of internal rigidity means that LE kites can't twist as aerodynamically as Ram Air kites.

4: Wing tips
- the tips of the inflatable kite act as rudders, slowing down the kite, with less control on turns (and therefore smaller more controlled power spikes)

5: Foil shape
- Ram Airs have a consistent foil shape because they are semi rigid by the use of bridles. LE kites deform and change their foil shape which causes an inconsistent aerodynamic profile......jelly fishing.

6: Luff curve
- If you want a flat luff curve, choose an X3 or similar
- If you want a deep luff curve, choose a Rhino2 or similar
- If you want in-between, choose a Slingshot or similar
- One ram kite can now do all of the above in one kite by the use of different settings, See Pysco or Voodoo kites.

7: Relaunch
- This is a BIG Issue. Beginners find relaunching inflatables very hard and it takes MANY sessions.

Rams can reverse launch,
Rams can launch directly downwind in the water,
Relaunching inflatables is way too hard!!

8: Safety
- Ram Airs are safer than LE kites because
-- Side launches are bloody SCARY for a beginner
-- Pump UP kites deform, twist, explode in the middle of the power zone etc when they are downwind of obstacles, in rotors, and in VERY gusty conditions. This is VERY dangerous. Some of the most frightening kitemares I've witnessed have involved LE kite users walking along beaches in cross-offshore conditions - their kites have been virtually uncontrollable and have endangered both the rider and other beach users.
-- Wind dropouts and gear failure
--- You will invariably experience a few catastrophic gear failures (LE Kite exploding ) and COMPLETE wind dropouts every year. If you are a fair way offshore, you cannot use the inflatable as a "sail" to sail back in as it has exploded bladders. Alternatively you can use the Ram Air structure to support your weight, even with a punctured cell or two.
--- All LE kitesbecome hopelessly waterlogged Once the blader explodes- unlaunchable and certainly unable to support your body weight.
-- Surf conditions
---While it is always a gamble if your kite gets caught by a wave, at least you've got a chance if its a Foil to launch quickly. If it is a LE kite, it's all over.

9 Pre-inflating -----Beats Pumping anyday of the week.
- Ram are easy to pre-inflate
- With pre-inflation, ram users find it very easy to drift launch. This skill is often required eg Promontory/headland launches.

10 Resale
- Contrary to the propaganda of LE lovers, ram airs have 3 x the lifespan of the inflatos . The major determinant of a kites lifespan is marketing, now all LE kites are not worth much 2nd hand due to BEST. There is no such player in Foils and you will get TOP dollar for you 2nd hand Ram Air

11 Repairs
- Ram air repairs are generally Cheeeeeeeeeeep. For example, most Flysurfer kites require little repair. Repairing a Bladder is like having sex with you Grandmother.....something you dread, something you dont want to do.....

12 Competition
Ram lovers have proved their claims in competitions. See Tobys Light Wind Weapon VId
Ignore the LE and PMU propaganda. Ignore the lies. Ram airs are aerodynamically superior to LEIs and nothing can change this

Re: PMU antichrist

Postby Kamikuza » Sun Aug 08, 2010 3:03 am

SIX YEARS?!? he's been copying and pasting almost the same crap for six years? =D> is he autistic or what?
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Re: PMU antichrist

Postby DrLightWind » Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:26 pm

In the past and even now so many people wanted to know who is PMU :?:
MonkeyAir, SQ and other participants pointed out the similarities to KitePower in the past.
Meanwhile some user thought it's the designer of FS for promoting attention by negative propaganda.
But all the latest theory and attention is directed toward to the moderator per se.

Looks like 1 of his main theory of 8 knots light wind barrier now started to be proving wrong,
especially by the new comings of the 21m Speed3 and the Source 2 line kite from F-One, Ha ha ha =D>
So now it doesn't matter who is PMU,
but if anybody is preparing for the 5 knots recent $10,000.000 PMU prize to claim :?: :lol:

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Re: PMU antichrist

Postby fernman » Sun Aug 08, 2010 7:02 pm

PMU enjoys annoying foil kite users. He just likes to stir the pot.

My advice - ignore all of his posts. Don't respond to anything he has to say. He does not deserve the courtesy of a response.
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Re: PMU antichrist

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